Philosophu Talk Philosophu Talk    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Sexism in church          Philosophu Talk Forum Index -> Philosophu Talk View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Steve Marshall Guest Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:49 am    Post subject: Sexism in church Isn't this sort of thing outlawed these days, or do Human Rights allow religions to be prejudice? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7492935.stm Steve M Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Smith Guest Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Sexism in church Steve Marshall wrote: Quote: Isn't this sort of thing outlawed these days, or do Human Rights allow religions to be prejudice? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7492935.stm It is absolutely allowed under English law. We allow religions exemption from the law when it comes to slaughtering animals, we (apparently) allow religious schools exemption from the national curriculum, we allow religious schools (even the state funded ones) to discriminate in employment (so they can discriminate against atheists, women, gays, those who co-habit .... ), we allow religious charities (or welfare providers as they can be known) to discriminate in employment. But that is what religion is all about: in-group altruism, out-group hostility. Sooner or later, human rights will catch up with these people... The BHA deserves a pat on the back for this: http://tinyurl.com/6lbyr2 regards, Ian Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor mark Guest Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Sexism in church X-No-Archive: yes "Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote in message news:iNGdnTS77vnFue7VnZ2dnUVZ8tzinZ2d@posted.plusnet... Quote: Steve Marshall wrote: Isn't this sort of thing outlawed these days, or do Human Rights allow religions to be prejudice? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7492935.stm It is absolutely allowed under English law. We allow religions exemption from the law when it comes to slaughtering animals, we (apparently) allow religious schools exemption from the national curriculum, we allow religious schools (even the state funded ones) to discriminate in employment (so they can discriminate against atheists, women, gays, those who co-habit ... ), we allow religious charities (or welfare providers as they can be known) to discriminate in employment. But that is what religion is all about: in-group altruism, out-group hostility. Sooner or later, human rights will catch up with these people... Yes. It is incredible.... absolutely, fantastically incredible that *we* (that being all of our society, which, if current figures are to be believed suggests that less than 2% are active church goers and less than half 'claim' to be christian ) tolerate this nonsensical situation. Special convention because of *believing* in a superstition.......!!! Ha, it's almost so ridiculous as to not warrant consideration.................except it is going on around us, insidiously discriminating for no other reason than the perpretrators hold a religious belief. History will show these monstrous, unsocial acts as grave mistakes that perpetuated the superstition it defended... Mark Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor IlBeBauck@gmail.com Guest Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Sexism in church On Jul 7, 5:49 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote: Quote: Isn't this sort of thing outlawed these days, or do Human Rights allow religions to be prejudice? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7492935.stm Steve M REPLY: In the Christian Faith, The Bible clearly gives instruction on who should be Pastors, Leaders, Deacons, Teachers, and so forth because God wired men and women differently for various tasks and because God is someone who believes in order ; its not a case of 'prejudice' . How does it work in the Atheism Religion amongst national Atheist Associations ? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Sexism in church IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote: Quote: On Jul 7, 5:49 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote: Isn't this sort of thing outlawed these days, or do Human Rights allow religions to be prejudice? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7492935.stm Steve M REPLY: In the Christian Faith, The Bible clearly gives instruction on who should be Pastors, Leaders, Deacons, Teachers, and so forth because God wired men and women differently for various tasks and because God is someone who believes in order ; its not a case of 'prejudice' . How does it work in the Atheism Religion amongst national Atheist Associations ? Your god quite clearly dropped a spanner in your wiring! -- http://kkomp.com - Delving beyond the comfort zone. Check out the kkomp RSS feed http://kkomp.com/kkompRSS.xml http://www.kustomkomputa.co.uk Personalised Desktop Computers Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor mark Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: Sexism in church X-No-Archive: yes <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message news:571b80ad-5d72-48aa-8584-cfc66e5ef096@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 7, 5:49 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote: Quote: Isn't this sort of thing outlawed these days, or do Human Rights allow religions to be prejudice? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7492935.stm Steve M **************** REPLY: In the Christian Faith, The Bible clearly gives instruction on who should be Pastors, Leaders, Deacons, Teachers, and so forth because God wired men and women differently for various tasks and because God is someone who believes in order ; its not a case of 'prejudice' . **************** How about this then: Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus" However, what we DO know is that the bible was written by men, in a time of great patriarchy, for men. I love reading the turmoil going on of those who today, as we speak, are re-writing, re-intepreting, re-translating this mish mash of mythological literature as though it were real. As though it hasn't been sanitised over 2000 years already. The out of context quotes, the omission of quotes that are counter to the desired objective, the interpretation, the allegory... you will all stew in your own hotpot of religious confusion.. Mark Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Smith Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: Sexism in church IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote: Quote: On Jul 7, 5:49 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote: Isn't this sort of thing outlawed these days, or do Human Rights allow religions to be prejudice? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7492935.stm Steve M REPLY: In the Christian Faith, The Bible clearly gives instruction on who should be Pastors, Leaders, Deacons, Teachers, and so forth because God wired men and women differently for various tasks and because God is someone who believes in order ; its not a case of 'prejudice' . How does it work in the Atheism Religion amongst national Atheist Associations ? Ah yes, the atheist religions. I don't know of any, personally, that - being a logical contradiction - exist outside of your mind. The closest I could think of would the British Humanist Association. Maybe you should ask their president Polly Toynbee or their Chief Exec Hanne Stinson? Strange that they have attained these positions having been wired differently? regards, Ian Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor IlBeBauck@gmail.com Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Sexism in church On Jul 8, 7:40 pm, "Dr.Hal0nf1r£$" <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: Quote: IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 7, 5:49 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote: Isn't this sort of thing outlawed these days, or do Human Rights allow religions to be prejudice? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7492935.stm Steve M REPLY: In the Christian Faith, The Bible clearly gives instruction on who should be Pastors, Leaders, Deacons, Teachers, and so forth because God wired men and women differently for various tasks and because God is someone who believes in order ;  its not a case of 'prejudice' .    How does it work in the Atheism Religion  amongst national Atheist Associations ? Your god quite clearly dropped a spanner in your wiring! -- http://kkomp.com- Delving beyond the comfort zone. Check out the kkomp RSS feedhttp://kkomp.com/kkompRSS.xml http://www.kustomkomputa.co.uk Personalised Desktop Computers REPLY: He uses Spanners to tweak . Youre tweaked too. 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