Philosophu Talk Philosophu Talk    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  religious belief nonsense Goto page 1, 2  Next          Philosophu Talk Forum Index -> Philosophu Talk View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message mark Guest Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: religious belief nonsense X-No-Archive: yes According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police - along with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs with *bootees* that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering 'certain' homes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and ideology when dealing with certain religious adherents. One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that hold strong religious conviction. I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a step (pun warning...) to far.. Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establish whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have....... Mark Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ken Guest Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense On Jul 7, 4:37 am, "mark" <no-oneh...@noads.com> wrote: Quote: Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establish whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have....... Mark I highly doubt if any of "we" hold such delusional superstitions or beliefs But I will admit that our English Springer is currently wearing a boot, not to protect any religious shrine, but to keep her from licking a "hot spot" on her paw.' A three legged dog walks into a saloon, orders a drink and loudly announced the following: "I'm aiming for a showdown with that low down bounty hunter who shot my Paw!" Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Andrew McGee Guest Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense "mark" <no-onehere@noads.com> wrote in message news:9KydnSvgD6Z4YuzVnZ2dnUVZ8qfinZ2d@bt.com... Quote: X-No-Archive: yes According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police - along with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs with *bootees* that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering 'certain' homes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and ideology when dealing with certain religious adherents. One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that hold strong religious conviction. I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a step (pun warning...) to far.. Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establish whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have....... Mark Our difficulty in going down this line is that atheists tend to be relatively free from absurd superstitious beliefs (a welcome consequence of atheism) and might not want to put themselves forward as holding such beliefs. > Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor IlBeBauck@gmail.com Guest Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense On Jul 7, 6:37 am, "mark" <no-oneh...@noads.com> wrote: Quote: X-No-Archive: yes According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police - along with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs with *bootees*  that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering 'certain' h omes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and ideology when dealing with certain religious adherents. One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that hold strong religious conviction. I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a step (pun warning...) to far.. Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establishr whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have....... Mark REPLY: Atheism is also a Religion because it requires Faith in the unseen allegedly having taken place. Macro Evolution and personality from non personality for example. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Smith Guest Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote: Quote: REPLY: Atheism is also a Religion because it requires Faith in the unseen allegedly having taken place. Macro Evolution and personality from non personality for example. Dave, This is only the case in your delusions, I'm afraid. I really can't count the number of times we've had to correct you on this... A-theist = without a belief in a deity Noting more, nothing less. Even if you manage to trash the whole of science, then it still doesn't enhance your position unless you can provide the supporting evidence *for* your position, which you have blatantly refused to do. And Dave, please have a little humility here and don't slip into insisting that you've already provided the evidence. I know that you haven't, the others posting here know that you haven't, the casual reader of this list can see that you haven't and I'm sure that you yourself know that you haven't. Furthermore, we all know the reason why! Simply put, because you can't - you don't have any supporting evidence. None. regards, Ian Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor IlBeBauck@gmail.com Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense On Jul 8, 3:12 am, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote: Quote: IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote: REPLY:  Atheism is also a Religion because it requires Faith in the unseen allegedly having taken place.  Macro Evolution and personality from non personality for example. Dave, This is only the case in your delusions, I'm afraid. I really can't count the number of times we've had to correct you on this... A-theist = without a belief in a deity Noting more, nothing less. Even if you manage to trash the whole of science, then it still doesn't enhance your position unless you can provide the supporting evidence *for* your position, which you have blatantly refused to do. And Dave, please have a little humility here and don't slip into insisting that you've already provided the evidence. I know that you haven't, the others posting here know that you haven't, the casual reader of this list can see that you haven't and I'm sure that you yourself know that you haven't. Furthermore, we all know the reason why! Simply put, because you can't - you don't have any supporting evidence. None. regards, Ian REPLY: Even Dawkins admits that macro evolution has never been seen. Its a FAITH so its a religion. Its also a proven impossibility . How come you follow desperate 19th century 'science' ? How do Materials give personality ? When have you ever honestly researched the evidence for a personal Creator , or, is it automatic that you never go there ? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Alwyn Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense In article <66457111-4f29-4b0e-9786-8cc529dfb3f6@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote: Quote: REPLY: Even Dawkins admits that macro evolution has never been seen. 'Macro-evolution' is a meaningless term probably invented by creationists and advocates of intelligent design to confuse people. Therefore I'm pretty sure Mr Dawkins 'admitted' nothing of the sort. Alwyn Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Smith Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote: Quote: REPLY: Even Dawkins admits that macro evolution has never been seen. Can you provide a quote for this, please? I've read almost every work he has written and I've never seen this claim. He has pointed out that macro evolution consists of very many small steps over a very extended period of time, so you are unlikely to "see it happen". Quote: Its a FAITH so its a religion. Untrue. Faith in a religious context has a meaning that indicates a belief for which there is no evidence i.e. "it is a matter of faith". Evolution is the exact opposite - a science based on observation of the evidence. Quote: Its also a proven impossibility . This is untrue - just a creationist lie. Please provide a credible reference for this. Don't bother providing references to "spontaneous generation" relating to maggots spontaneously generating in meat and mice spontaneously generating in corn and mud because this is something else completely. Quote: How come you follow desperate 19th century 'science' ? How do Materials give personality ? Evolution. Plain and simple. Quote: When have you ever honestly researched the evidence for a personal Creator , or, is it automatic that you never go there ? Yes I have - through many years of Sunday school, bible classes and weekly religious education lessons in school over an 11 year period (age 5 to 16). I asked a lot of questions and got very few answers outside of "god works in mysterious ways". I've also asked you (and countless other christians) to help by providing some good positive evidence that supports the existence of your god - but I've never ever seen any. Logical deduction tells me that with many religions in competition, any one with any evidence would parade it in front of all to see as the knock-out blow for their faith. So, your belief is no more than superstition and mythology - a belief in fairies. regards, Ian Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor David Wynne-Griffiths Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense The message <66457111-4f29-4b0e-9786-8cc529dfb3f6@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> from "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> contains these words: Quote: When have you ever honestly researched the evidence for a personal Creator I have indeed ! I found there was no credible evidence whatsoever for any form of deity or creator personal or otherwise. What I did find was very prolific evidence that mankind has been a serial inventor of imaginary deities. -- ******** DavidWG ******** Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Alwyn Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense In article <HKmdnUFy7KOWVenVRVnygQA@posted.plusnet>, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote: Quote: IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote: REPLY: Even Dawkins admits that macro evolution has never been seen. Can you provide a quote for this, please? I've read almost every work he has written and I've never seen this claim. He has pointed out that macro evolution consists of very many small steps over a very extended period of time, so you are unlikely to "see it happen". I think I may have gone too far in claiming that the term 'macro-evolution' was meaningless. <http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html> However, I'm still not convinced that it is a term that Dawkins would have answered to. Alwyn Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ken Guest Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense On Jul 7, 6:52 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote: Quote: On Jul 7, 6:37 am, "mark" <no-oneh...@noads.com> wrote: X-No-Archive: yes According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police - along with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs with *bootees*  that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering 'certain' h  omes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and ideology when dealing with certain religious adherents. One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that hold strong religious conviction. I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a step (pun warning...) to far.. Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establishr whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have........ Mark REPLY:  Atheism is also a Religion because it requires Faith in the unseen allegedly having taken place.  Macro Evolution and personality from non personality for example.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Same stupid DILV crap just on a different stupid DILV day A challenge which as sure as the Sun will rise tomorrow, you will evade Name EVEN one person that you've ever convinced to share this particiuar delusion? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ken Guest Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense On Jul 10, 11:10 am, Ariel <espr...@mailhaven.com> wrote: Quote: mark wrote: X-No-Archive: yes According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police - along with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs with *bootees*  that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering 'certain' homes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and ideology when dealing with certain religious adherents. One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that hold strong religious conviction. I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a step (pun warning...) to far.. Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establish whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have....... This seems to be relevant here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7499248.stm    "A marriage registrar was harassed for refusing to conduct same-sex ceremonies, a tribunal has ruled.     Lillian Ladele, who said the civil partnership ceremonies went against her Christian faith, hailed the decision as a "victory for religious liberty"." How can requiring someone to do the job they are employed to do be described as harassment? If someone decides they can't do the job, for their own personal reasons, then shouldn't they expect to find another one? -- Ariel- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Or the MD who decides he won't deliver babies from unwed maws, or the pharmacist who won't fill a sciprt for birth control pills to unmarried women or dispense RU-486, the morning after pill. I've noticed the latter are ALWAYS men/fundies/ evangelicals...............K Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ken Guest Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense On Jul 10, 2:35 pm, "mark" <no-oneh...@noads.com> wrote: Quote: X-No-Archive: yes "Ariel" <espr...@mailhaven.com> wrote in message news:pfoc74571u7vasl7v0are2le1s1jq8kgra@4ax.com... Ken wrote: On Jul 10, 11:10 am, Ariel <espr...@mailhaven.com> wrote: mark wrote: X-No-Archive: yes According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police - along with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs with *bootees* that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering 'certain' homes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and ideology when dealing with certain religious adherents. One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that hold strong religious conviction. I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a step (pun warning...) to far.. Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establish whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have....... Or the MD who decides he won't deliver babies from unwed maws, or the pharmacist who won't fill a sciprt for birth control pills to unmarried women or dispense RU-486, the morning after pill. Exactly. It seems some people think their religious rights are greater than other people's non-religious rights. Aha...... there's the crux...... is it not..? People with a superstitious belief seem to think that their ideas, based upon some irrational notion,  are important enough to superceed the social and community adhesion that we wish to prevail. How on earth have we reached a point where this religious rubbish actually impinges upon the structure of our lives...?? To be brutally honest.. we need laws to safeguard the belief system of those with non beliefs...!!    Not the other way round. This is the whole difference between personal faith.... and religion .. which organises those personal faiths. Why, oh why, oh why does religion just believe *it|*  has the right to be anywhere, voicing notions about anything purely on the irrational basis of a belief and superstition...? When.. and how,  will it ever stop..? Mark- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - All religions are outmoded concepts today. Perhaps they were needed long ago to "explain" away unknown events events back when a superstitious populous lived in hovels or caves, to keep the hoi polloi under their thumb and to maintain a feudal-like social classes. Today science can explain truth instead of accepting religious fairy tales. But today we still have these fundy religious fanatics shooting abortion doctors, religious fanatics blowing themselves up in the name of allah, not to mention our money grubbing tax-free tele-evangelicals looting little old ladies so they can keep up payments on their houses, limos, planes, and hookers Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ariel Guest Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense mark wrote: Quote: X-No-Archive: yes According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police - along with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs with *bootees* that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering 'certain' homes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and ideology when dealing with certain religious adherents. One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that hold strong religious conviction. I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a step (pun warning...) to far.. Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establish whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have....... This seems to be relevant here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7499248.stm "A marriage registrar was harassed for refusing to conduct same-sex ceremonies, a tribunal has ruled. Lillian Ladele, who said the civil partnership ceremonies went against her Christian faith, hailed the decision as a "victory for religious liberty"." How can requiring someone to do the job they are employed to do be described as harassment? If someone decides they can't do the job, for their own personal reasons, then shouldn't they expect to find another one? -- Ariel Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ariel Guest Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense Ken wrote: Quote: On Jul 10, 11:10 am, Ariel <espr...@mailhaven.com> wrote: mark wrote: X-No-Archive: yes According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police - along with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs with *bootees*  that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering 'certain' homes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and ideology when dealing with certain religious adherents. One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that hold strong religious conviction. I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a step (pun warning...) to far.. Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to establish whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and ask for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might have....... This seems to be relevant here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7499248.stm    "A marriage registrar was harassed for refusing to conduct same-sex ceremonies, a tribunal has ruled.     Lillian Ladele, who said the civil partnership ceremonies went against her Christian faith, hailed the decision as a "victory for religious liberty"." How can requiring someone to do the job they are employed to do be described as harassment? If someone decides they can't do the job, for their own personal reasons, then shouldn't they expect to find another one? -- Ariel- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Or the MD who decides he won't deliver babies from unwed maws, or the pharmacist who won't fill a sciprt for birth control pills to unmarried women or dispense RU-486, the morning after pill. Exactly. It seems some people think their religious rights are greater than other people's non-religious rights. Quote: I've noticed the latter are ALWAYS men/fundies/ evangelicals...............K Certainly some people are more fanatical about this than others. -- Ariel Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Philosophu Talk Forum Index -> Philosophu Talk All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Philosophu Talk----------------Philosophu Talk  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Website Recensioni dei principali siti Escort/Accompagnatrici (BestAnnunci, Piccoletrasgressioni, Incontriitalia ...) 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