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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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On Jul 9, 5:19 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 8, 3:12 am, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com
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IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
REPLY: Atheism is also a Religion because it requires Faith in the
unseen allegedly having taken place. Macro Evolution and personality
from non personality for example.
Dave,
This is only the case in your delusions, I'm afraid.
I really can't count the number of times we've had to correct you on
this...
A-theist = without a belief in a deity
Noting more, nothing less.
Even if you manage to trash the whole of science, then it still
doesn't enhance your position unless you can provide the supporting
evidence *for* your position, which you have blatantly refused to do.
And Dave, please have a little humility here and don't slip into
insisting that you've already provided the evidence. I know that you
haven't, the others posting here know that you haven't, the casual
reader of this list can see that you haven't and I'm sure that you
yourself know that you haven't. Furthermore, we all know the reason
why! Simply put, because you can't - you don't have any supporting
evidence. None.
regards, Ian
REPLY: Even Dawkins admits that macro evolution has never been seen.
Its a FAITH so its a religion. Its also a proven impossibility . How
come you follow desperate 19th century 'science' ? How do Materials
give personality ? When have you ever honestly researched the
evidence for a personal Creator , or, is it automatic that you never
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Well well.
You're back, STILL ignoring my list of questions yet you don't shirk
from asking more of your own
Why it that?
Are you afraid that someone might think less of you?
If you're worried about that possibility, don't no would think any
less of you
BTW--Do you intent to post proof of your Dawkin's assertion or is this
just another one in a long list of your lies?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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"Ariel" <esprite@mailhaven.com> wrote in message
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Ken wrote:
On Jul 10, 11:10 am, Ariel <espr...@mailhaven.com> wrote:
mark wrote:
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According to a report by the Independent on saturday, the Met Police -
along
with some other Police forces - have agreed to furnish 'sniffer' dogs
with
*bootees* that will be placed onto the paws of dogs when entering
'certain'
homes to alleviate the issue of transgressing certain beliefs and
ideology
when dealing with certain religious adherents.
One is drawn into concluding the reference is for those muslims that
hold
strong religious conviction.
I wonder how much further we are to travel in accommodating the
superstitious beliefs of people and whether, or not, this is already a
step
(pun warning...) to far..
Thoughts turn to those of us who are atheists that might wish to
establish
whether certain factors or behaviour might offend our (non) beliefs and
ask
for similar actions be taken to encompass any ideas we might
have.......
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Or the MD who decides he won't deliver babies from unwed maws, or the
pharmacist who won't fill a sciprt for birth control pills to
unmarried women or dispense RU-486, the morning after pill.
Exactly. It seems some people think their religious rights are greater
than other people's non-religious rights.
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Aha...... there's the crux...... is it not..?
People with a superstitious belief seem to think that their ideas, based
upon some irrational notion, are important enough to superceed the social
and community adhesion that we wish to prevail.
How on earth have we reached a point where this religious rubbish actually
impinges upon the structure of our lives...??
To be brutally honest.. we need laws to safeguard the belief system of those
with non beliefs...!! Not the other way round.
This is the whole difference between personal faith.... and religion ..
which organises those personal faiths.
Why, oh why, oh why does religion just believe *it|* has the right to be
anywhere, voicing notions about anything purely on the irrational basis of a
belief and superstition...?
When.. and how, will it ever stop..?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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"Alwyn" <alwyn@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article
66457111-4f29-4b0e-9786-8cc529dfb3f6@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
"IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote:
REPLY: Even Dawkins admits that macro evolution has never been seen.
'Macro-evolution' is a meaningless term probably invented by
creationists and advocates of intelligent design to confuse people.
Therefore I'm pretty sure Mr Dawkins 'admitted' nothing of the sort.
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It is, or at least, was first, used by scientists alwyn but like many
issues, the creationists have 'seized' the term for their own..
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html
Here, for the benefit of dilv are the usual links that destroy his dreams
however....
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted_sites/paleonet/paleo21/mevolution.html
But we know dilv is not here for debate. He lets go with utter rubbish at
times which does approach dishonesty and blatant lies, sadly.
It seems dishonesty is not part of the absolute morality he wishes everyone
to keep..
His other strategy, falsely, is to re-assert the same thing over and over
again in the minute hope it will become true because it's been said so many
times..!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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In article <acOdnWX0Y81ZgOrVnZ2dnUVZ8uOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
"mark" <no-onehere@noads.com> wrote:
Why didn't you take my advice and put this line in your headers, if you
must have it, rather than pollute your message with it? Or doesn't
Outlook Express give you that facility?
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His other strategy, falsely, is to re-assert the same thing over and over
again in the minute hope it will become true because it's been said so many
times..!
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On the contrary, it is a very effective technique, well known to
advertisers: saturate the media with your message, and it will get
through. Dave and Pahu may not be having much success with the denizens
of this newsgroup, but in the general population there are far more
evolution-sceptics than there used to be; in fact, worldwide, they seem
to be in the majority. Steve Jones has reported that students are now
asking to be excused his lectures on evolution because it goes against
their convictions, which never used to happen before.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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The message <alwyn-8EB9EA.10164311072008@news.virginmedia.com>
from Alwyn <alwyn@dircon.co.uk> contains these words:
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On the contrary, it is a very effective technique, well known to
advertisers: saturate the media with your message, and it will get
through. Dave and Pahu may not be having much success with the denizens
of this newsgroup, but in the general population there are far more
evolution-sceptics than there used to be; in fact, worldwide, they seem
to be in the majority. Steve Jones has reported that students are now
asking to be excused his lectures on evolution because it goes against
their convictions, which never used to happen before.
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The technique is also much used by religions. The Nicene creed for
instance contains a series of statements all of which are matters of
faith not fact and the idea is that if you repeat the creed sufficiently
often you might eventually believe that the statements are all true!
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DavidWG
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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On Jul 11, 2:16 am, Alwyn <al...@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
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In article <acOdnWX0Y81ZgOrVnZ2dnUVZ8uOdn...@bt.com>,
"mark" <no-oneh...@noads.com> wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
Why didn't you take my advice and put this line in your headers, if you
must have it, rather than pollute your message with it? Or doesn't
Outlook Express give you that facility?
His other strategy, falsely, is to re-assert the same thing over and over
again in the minute hope it will become true because it's been said so many
times..!
On the contrary, it is a very effective technique, well known to
advertisers: saturate the media with your message, and it will get
through. Dave and Pahu may not be having much success with the denizens
of this newsgroup, but in the general population there are far more
evolution-sceptics than there used to be; in fact, worldwide, they seem
to be in the majority. Steve Jones has reported that students are now
asking to be excused his lectures on evolution because it goes against
their convictions, which never used to happen before.
Alwyn
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Neither Dimwit or Palu have ever had any successful converts to their
continuing and oft repeated delusions |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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"Alwyn" <alwyn@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <acOdnWX0Y81ZgOrVnZ2dnUVZ8uOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
"mark" <no-onehere@noads.com> wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
Why didn't you take my advice and put this line in your headers, if you
must have it, rather than pollute your message with it? Or doesn't
Outlook Express give you that facility?
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My goodness alwyn..
I have it for a number of reasons and it is a standard 'tag' for non
archiving in google. It doesn't stop it being archived elsewhere but there
we go..
I'm surprised it seems to so irritate you. Does the way dilv posts' also
irritate...?
Unless you know otherwise, I do not think OE gives me the opportunity to
place it in the headers....
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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In article <G6-dnUNU9tNsoerV4p2dnAA@bt.com>,
"mark" <no-onehere@noads.com> wrote:
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"Alwyn" <alwyn@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:alwyn-8EB9EA.10164311072008@news.virginmedia.com...
In article <acOdnWX0Y81ZgOrVnZ2dnUVZ8uOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
"mark" <no-onehere@noads.com> wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
Why didn't you take my advice and put this line in your headers, if you
must have it, rather than pollute your message with it? Or doesn't
Outlook Express give you that facility?
My goodness alwyn..
I have it for a number of reasons and it is a standard 'tag' for non
archiving in google. It doesn't stop it being archived elsewhere but there
we go..
I'm surprised it seems to so irritate you. Does the way dilv posts' also
irritate...?
Unless you know otherwise, I do not think OE gives me the opportunity to
place it in the headers....
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It makes you look n00bish, and when I quote you, I have to edit that
line out.
You use Micro$oft software which is brain-dead and does not allow the
user to do the most basic customisations. However, here's a tip:
<http://www.helpwithwindows.com/windows95/oe-24.html>
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Christopher A. Lee
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:16:46 +0100, Alwyn <alwyn@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
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In article <acOdnWX0Y81ZgOrVnZ2dnUVZ8uOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
"mark" <no-onehere@noads.com> wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
Why didn't you take my advice and put this line in your headers, if you
must have it, rather than pollute your message with it? Or doesn't
Outlook Express give you that facility?
His other strategy, falsely, is to re-assert the same thing over and over
again in the minute hope it will become true because it's been said so many
times..!
On the contrary, it is a very effective technique, well known to
advertisers: saturate the media with your message, and it will get
through. Dave and Pahu may not be having much success with the denizens
of this newsgroup, but in the general population there are far more
evolution-sceptics than there used to be; in fact, worldwide, they seem
to be in the majority. Steve Jones has reported that students are now
asking to be excused his lectures on evolution because it goes against
their convictions, which never used to happen before.
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Fail them.
>Alwyn |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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"Alwyn" <alwyn@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <G6-dnUNU9tNsoerV4p2dnAA@bt.com>,
"mark" <no-onehere@noads.com> wrote:
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Why didn't you take my advice and put this line in your headers, if you
must have it, rather than pollute your message with it? Or doesn't
Outlook Express give you that facility?
My goodness alwyn..
I have it for a number of reasons and it is a standard 'tag' for non
archiving in google. It doesn't stop it being archived elsewhere but
there
we go..
I'm surprised it seems to so irritate you. Does the way dilv posts'
also
irritate...?
Unless you know otherwise, I do not think OE gives me the opportunity to
place it in the headers....
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It makes you look n00bish, and when I quote you, I have to edit that
line out.
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Why...? What purpose is served by editing it out anyway...?
I'm not sure about you, but usually I trim stuff I reply to where I can and
if possible.
A bigger irritation for me is when one hits 'reply' to certain posters and
*their* post remains without indents/fletches making the whole thing
entirely incomprehensible as it is not clear who said what...
Well thanks for that.
It is a workaround for sure but it's a bit of fluffing about where as
normally, I just hit 'insert' from my toolbar..
You are about the first person in a very, very long time to even mention
this little irritation - even though it is an accepted step to assist in the
reduction of spam (not to mention making it difficult for cyber stalkers to
follow you around... something I once had)
As for microsoft.. I couldn't comment....!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: Re: religious belief nonsense |
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"Alwyn" <alwyn@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <HKmdnUFy7KOWVenVRVnygQA@posted.plusnet>,
Ian Smith <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote:
IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
REPLY: Even Dawkins admits that macro evolution has never been seen.
Can you provide a quote for this, please? I've read almost every
work he has written and I've never seen this claim. He has pointed
out that macro evolution consists of very many small steps over a
very extended period of time, so you are unlikely to "see it happen".
I think I may have gone too far in claiming that the term
'macro-evolution' was meaningless.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html
However, I'm still not convinced that it is a term that Dawkins would
have answered to.
Alwyn
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It is of course certain that said Dawkins would merely sigh at the question
as to whether he had 'seen macro-evolution'. It's a bit like saying that
'even Einstein admitted that he had never seen gravity'.
It is certainly true that just about everybody in the world has seen
evidence of macro-evolution, just as they have seen evidence of gravity.
However there is the question of interpretation. If we see a wonder of
nature, such as a rainbow, some people want to understand what made it so
and others want it to be an inexplicable miracle.
The latter type of person is a rich source of adulation and money for those
who want it, and is also a position easily adopted by people who want easily
adopted positions. Other such positions are 'I think it should be left to
the market to decide', immediate withdrawal to claiming freedom of speech in
any discussion, 'Why do you hate ........', and 'Is that all you've got?'. |
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