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Last weekend, was the start of a new Series. We had a good spirited
exchange on the topic of Peace in ones life. This weekends topic is
on our Culture and how it is best represented by the religion of
Atheism.
One need only take a cursury look at our present day Culture to see
that it is far from the ideals and ethics of the (now 'over-
burdening' ) Christian Faith ; that being : Love your neighbor as
yourself, consider others more important than you are, do not take
advantage of others, do not covet your neighbors possessions , do not
covet your neighbors wife or husband, dont use foul, vile, or coarse
language, do nor pursue sexual immorality , concentrate on eternal
things of the temporary, etc... Especially over the last 50 years,
we have seen a Culture in the U.S. and U.K. bent on destruction in
many forms. , including : Nihlism which is doing things that are
inherently dangerous to oneself or others on a widespread basis,
Selfism , and Hedonism . We see a philosophy or using others for
what you can get out of them , treating others as if they were without
dignity, worth, or value... going after a variety of pleasure seeking
venues in an attempt to find real meaning to life, and trying to
obtain power, prestige, and materials things as indicators of
'success' so others will be impressed. Back when i labeled myself
'an atheist', I could see the distinction between the ideals of what
constituted Godliness and ideals that constituted unGodliness ; it
was the latter which i wanted to pursue because I felt it offered the
greatest amount of Fun thru independence/autonomous living/and freedom
to indulge whether right or wrong. What we see today in our culture
are the masses doing what FEELS good in return without questioning if
its right or not ; the motive is what is best for ME instead of what
is true -- aka : Post Modernism. Its a reprogramming of the Mind
and Will which makes virtually any behaviour , action, and motive
permissable to engage in...with the demand that others be tolerant to
the choice. Thus, what was once clearly sexual immorality , is now
not. What was once a lifestyle abomination, is now acceptable. In
other words, nothing is sacred any longer , there are no clear lines
of moral deliniation nor is it even important to pursue such, and
maximum freedom to indulge has become the epitomie of entitlement .
Now, when we examine the revered tenets and philosophy of Atheism, we
have Moral Relativism, Truth is Relative, and Man has become his OWN
authority. These 3 chief philosophies of Atheism are what our present
personally destructive Culture endorses and exhibits . When i was
'an atheist' for some 10 years....I could clearly see the
consequences to the above philosophies which i held so dear ... yet if
anyone were to challenge them, my reaction would be to SPIN it to
make the Objector appear to be out of line/not with it/prudish/and an
Outcast. This of course was so the modus operandi of practicing
atheism on a social level could be continued without interruption.
Therefore, to help justify intrinsically wrongful behaviours and
lifestyles, the Adherrant will attempt to belittle the Moralist and
Ethicist for 'not getting with the program' ! As if he/she is
missing out on all the fun ! How peculiar things have changed in
just the last 40 some years isnt it ? Who would have ever thought
that good and wise values, standards of conduct and morality , and
time honored ethics ....would be tossed aside for the expressed motive
of indulging in whatever ones fancy is. What is equally astonishing
is, when the consequences to this abberrant lifestyle of indulging/
entitlement is pointed out in society....it also is suppressed and
ignored so the carefree person can willfully continue down the road of
personal destruction (nihlism) . What we have then is : A large
number of people who dont care about society, dont care about whats
right from wrong, and dont care about their own outcome just so long
as the indulging feeding frenzy continues ; The Bible calls this
manner of living : Willful Ignorance and willfully heading down the
road of Destruction.
When we examine such teachings of Mankind coming from Pond Scum
accidentally therefore having no instrinic dignity, value, or
worth....what we see in our Culture is simply the playing out of this
desperate Theory which gives license to careLESS indulgence and
entitlement fueled by apathy.
Ill open this up for group discussion now.
(Next weekend, we shall have a look at the common excuses that are
made so this philosophy of Immoral Indulgence and Entitlement can be
enjoyed . Please join us then. )
Dave (former atheist of 10 + years.) |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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On Jul 6, 3:38 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Last weekend, was the start of a new Series. We had a good spirited
exchange on the topic of Peace in ones life. This weekends topic is
on our Culture and how it is best represented by the religion of
Atheism.
One need only take a cursury look at our present day Culture to see
that it is far from the ideals and ethics of the (now 'over-
burdening' ) Christian Faith ; that being : Love your neighbor as
yourself, consider others more important than you are, do not take
advantage of others, do not covet your neighbors possessions , do not
covet your neighbors wife or husband, dont use foul, vile, or coarse
language, do nor pursue sexual immorality , concentrate on eternal
things of the temporary, etc... Especially over the last 50 years,
we have seen a Culture in the U.S. and U.K. bent on destruction in
many forms. , including : Nihlism which is doing things that are
inherently dangerous to oneself or others on a widespread basis,
Selfism , and Hedonism . We see a philosophy or using others for
what you can get out of them , treating others as if they were without
dignity, worth, or value... going after a variety of pleasure seeking
venues in an attempt to find real meaning to life, and trying to
obtain power, prestige, and materials things as indicators of
'success' so others will be impressed. Back when i labeled myself
'an atheist', I could see the distinction between the ideals of what
constituted Godliness and ideals that constituted unGodliness ; it
was the latter which i wanted to pursue because I felt it offered the
greatest amount of Fun thru independence/autonomous living/and freedom
to indulge whether right or wrong. What we see today in our culture
are the masses doing what FEELS good in return without questioning if
its right or not ; the motive is what is best for ME instead of what
is true -- aka : Post Modernism. Its a reprogramming of the Mind
and Will which makes virtually any behaviour , action, and motive
permissable to engage in...with the demand that others be tolerant to
the choice. Thus, what was once clearly sexual immorality , is now
not. What was once a lifestyle abomination, is now acceptable. In
other words, nothing is sacred any longer , there are no clear lines
of moral deliniation nor is it even important to pursue such, and
maximum freedom to indulge has become the epitomie of entitlement .
Now, when we examine the revered tenets and philosophy of Atheism, we
have Moral Relativism, Truth is Relative, and Man has become his OWN
authority. These 3 chief philosophies of Atheism are what our present
personally destructive Culture endorses and exhibits . When i was
'an atheist' for some 10 years....I could clearly see the
consequences to the above philosophies which i held so dear ... yet if
anyone were to challenge them, my reaction would be to SPIN it to
make the Objector appear to be out of line/not with it/prudish/and an
Outcast. This of course was so the modus operandi of practicing
atheism on a social level could be continued without interruption.
Therefore, to help justify intrinsically wrongful behaviours and
lifestyles, the Adherrant will attempt to belittle the Moralist and
Ethicist for 'not getting with the program' ! As if he/she is
missing out on all the fun ! How peculiar things have changed in
just the last 40 some years isnt it ? Who would have ever thought
that good and wise values, standards of conduct and morality , and
time honored ethics ....would be tossed aside for the expressed motive
of indulging in whatever ones fancy is. What is equally astonishing
is, when the consequences to this abberrant lifestyle of indulging/
entitlement is pointed out in society....it also is suppressed and
ignored so the carefree person can willfully continue down the road of
personal destruction (nihlism) . What we have then is : A large
number of people who dont care about society, dont care about whats
right from wrong, and dont care about their own outcome just so long
as the indulging feeding frenzy continues ; The Bible calls this
manner of living : Willful Ignorance and willfully heading down the
road of Destruction.
When we examine such teachings of Mankind coming from Pond Scum
accidentally therefore having no instrinic dignity, value, or
worth....what we see in our Culture is simply the playing out of this
desperate Theory which gives license to careLESS indulgence and
entitlement fueled by apathy.
Ill open this up for group discussion now.
(Next weekend, we shall have a look at the common excuses that are
made so this philosophy of Immoral Indulgence and Entitlement can be
enjoyed . Please join us then. )
Dave (former atheist of 10 + years.)
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The Following explains the concept of Nihlism and how it is
foundationally part of Atheism : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihlism |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: More Fundy BS from Question Avoiding Webtv Fuckwit |
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Answer the questions, ASSHOLE
(so that we may better understand where you are
coming from}
What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than
your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: More Fundy BS from Question Avoiding Webtv Fuckwit |
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On Jul 6, 4:27 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
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Answer the questions, ASSHOLE
(so that we may better understand where you are
coming from}
What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than
your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?
********
DavidWG
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Ken, Youve just proven what i said in this weekends Post. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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On Jul 6, 4:45 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com>
wrote:
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IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
The Following explains the concept of Nihlism and how it is
foundationally part of Atheism : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihlism
It most certainly doesn't. In fact neither of the words atheist or
atheism appear until the notes at the bottom of the page. The main
content of the piece associates it more with religion: as in
"Nietzsche used the phrase 'Christians and other nihilists'..."
Other than that, your piece is yet again a diatribe of
unsubstantiated and already repudiated allegations.
Specifically, you again seem to allege that religious morals are in
some way superior to rationally derived morals - a notion that we
have already shown to be contrary to all the evidence.
In addition, you still seem to be making an appeal to the existence
of some sort of 'god' figure - a notion that we have already
established has no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Each one of your postings seems to spectacularly fail on the
fundamentals. One is driven to wonder why you bother.
regards, Ian
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REPLY: Ian, Are you calling Atheisms philosophy of Moral Relativism
(man deciding what he wants to do based on feelings and urges)
'rationally derived morals' !!!?? How utterly silly that is !
Absolute Religious Morals and Standards for living was what we had
prior to Post Modernism / atheisms influence ... and everyone had a
clearcut standard on how to live right, how to treat ones fellow man,
and why crossing over the line was wrong. We can see the consequences
of a society based on MANS authority which is atheism played out to
the end. Its so bad that folks like yourself dont even know why
something is right and wrong . I wonder why YOU bother to keep
ignoring the outcomes of a culture that follows your line of
'rationally derived morals' ! Here, let me help you a bit : 33
STD's , AIDS and HPV leading to countless fatalities, butchering of
developing unborn human beings for the sake of sexual hedonism ,
adultery gone rampant, teenage pregnancies skyrocketing, young girls
being encouraged to be tramps by the media, young boys being
encouraged to view girls as a toy, ad nausuem. Or...is it that you
just dont care (which is yet another inherent atheistic attitude). ? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: More Fundy BS from Question Avoiding Webtv Fuckwit |
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On Jul 6, 3:38 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 6, 4:27 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
(so that we may better understand where you are
coming from}
What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than
your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?
********
DavidWG
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Ken, Youve just proven what i said in this weekends Post
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U actually think I or anyone else reads crap from a PROVEN FUNDY LIAR
Why can't you answer a few simple questions? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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On Jul 6, 3:54 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
for the sake of sexual hedonism ,
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adultery gone rampant, teenage pregnancies skyrocketing, young girls
being encouraged to be tramps by the media, young boys being
encouraged to view girls as a toy,
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It ALWAYS cums down 2 sex with U, ya fuckin pervert
Gee, seems you forget about your young underaged spermbank and the
resultant abortion..again |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: More Fundy BS from Webtv Fuckwit |
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On Jul 6, 4:26 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
Just in case you may have missed them, here they are again
(So that we may better understand where you are coming from}
What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?
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CCped from DavidWG
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
It most certainly doesn't. In fact neither of the words atheist or
atheism appear until the notes at the bottom of the page. The main
content of the piece associates it more with religion: as in
"Nietzsche used the phrase 'Christians and other nihilists'..."
Other than that, your piece is yet again a diatribe of
unsubstantiated and already repudiated allegations.
Specifically, you again seem to allege that religious morals are in
some way superior to rationally derived morals - a notion that we
have already shown to be contrary to all the evidence.
In addition, you still seem to be making an appeal to the existence
of some sort of 'god' figure - a notion that we have already
established has no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Each one of your postings seems to spectacularly fail on the
fundamentals. One is driven to wonder why you bother.
regards, Ian |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
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On Jul 6, 4:45 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com
wrote:
IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
The Following explains the concept of Nihlism and how it is
foundationally part of Atheism : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihlism
It most certainly doesn't. In fact neither of the words atheist or
atheism appear until the notes at the bottom of the page. The main
content of the piece associates it more with religion: as in
"Nietzsche used the phrase 'Christians and other nihilists'..."
Other than that, your piece is yet again a diatribe of
unsubstantiated and already repudiated allegations.
Specifically, you again seem to allege that religious morals are in
some way superior to rationally derived morals - a notion that we
have already shown to be contrary to all the evidence.
In addition, you still seem to be making an appeal to the existence
of some sort of 'god' figure - a notion that we have already
established has no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Each one of your postings seems to spectacularly fail on the
fundamentals. One is driven to wonder why you bother.
regards, Ian
REPLY: Ian, Are you calling Atheisms philosophy of Moral Relativism
(man deciding what he wants to do based on feelings and urges)
'rationally derived morals' !!!?? How utterly silly that is !
Absolute Religious Morals and Standards for living was what we had
prior to Post Modernism / atheisms influence ... and everyone had a
clearcut standard on how to live right, how to treat ones fellow man,
and why crossing over the line was wrong. We can see the consequences
of a society based on MANS authority which is atheism played out to
the end. Its so bad that folks like yourself dont even know why
something is right and wrong . I wonder why YOU bother to keep
ignoring the outcomes of a culture that follows your line of
'rationally derived morals' ! Here, let me help you a bit : 33
STD's , AIDS and HPV leading to countless fatalities, butchering of
developing unborn human beings for the sake of sexual hedonism ,
adultery gone rampant, teenage pregnancies skyrocketing, young girls
being encouraged to be tramps by the media, young boys being
encouraged to view girls as a toy, ad nausuem. Or...is it that you
just dont care (which is yet another inherent atheistic attitude). ?
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Firstly, as you've avoided dealing with the points I raised about
the link you provided on Nihilism and have instead just changed the
subject, we can take it that you've conceded that your posting was
misleading nonsense and simply wrong - yet again. Just more Lying
for Jesus - saying what you want to be true rather than what is
actually true. Which brings me to your latest post above...
I've just explained in another post about condoms and Africa, why
relative rational morals are clearly and demonstrably superior.
Religious morals just lead to deaths in Africa, genital mutilation,
barbaric punishments, suppression of women, sexual abuse of women
and blatant discrimination to name just a few examples. Not to
mention how religion (and its strange chastity demands on clergy)
has led to swathes of child abuse in the US, Australia, UK and many
other places (to the point where claims against the churches are
bankrupting them) and the subsequent utterly shameful cover up of
these actions by bishops and the RC church hierarchy all the way up
to the Vatican.
We've also clearly demonstrated, again using the evidence, that
there is no indication whatsoever that christians are in any way
more moral than atheists, in fact the opposite appears to be the
case. We've also pointed out that religious groups running chastity
campaigns fare worse for STD and teenage pregnancy than the
population at large using rationally based education programmes.
So, when faced with the evidence your precepts fall flat on their
face again.
So, if you wish to make a point then - make it and present the
evidence to support it. That way, you may even have a chance of
carrying an argument instead of exposing yourself as a pedlar of
unsubstantiated religious twaddle - a Liar for Jesus, as you've
managed to do so well above.
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The message <PdKdnY7wYbw1VezVnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@posted.plusnet>
from Ian Smith <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> contains these words:
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So, if you wish to make a point then - make it and present the
evidence to support it. That way, you may even have a chance of
carrying an argument instead of exposing yourself as a pedlar of
unsubstantiated religious twaddle - a Liar for Jesus, as you've
managed to do so well above.
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I doubt he is capable of abandoning the twaddle. The view that all non
believers have the same beliefs or lack of them defeats any attempt at a
sensible discussion.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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"David Wynne-Griffiths" <davidwg@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:31303030313034394871E7AD02@zetnet.co.uk...
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The message <PdKdnY7wYbw1VezVnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@posted.plusnet
from Ian Smith <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> contains these
words:
So, if you wish to make a point then - make it and present the
evidence to support it. That way, you may even have a chance of
carrying an argument instead of exposing yourself as a pedlar of
unsubstantiated religious twaddle - a Liar for Jesus, as you've
managed to do so well above.
I doubt he is capable of abandoning the twaddle. The view that all non
believers have the same beliefs or lack of them defeats any attempt at a
sensible discussion.
--
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DavidWG
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Plus the absurd belief (or assertion at any rate) that relative morals LEAD
TO the matters he mentions. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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On Jul 7, 2:41 am, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com>
wrote:
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IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:45 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com
wrote:
IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
The Following explains the concept of Nihlism and how it is
foundationally part of Atheism : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihlism
It most certainly doesn't. In fact neither of the words atheist or
atheism appear until the notes at the bottom of the page. The main
content of the piece associates it more with religion: as in
"Nietzsche used the phrase 'Christians and other nihilists'..."
Other than that, your piece is yet again a diatribe of
unsubstantiated and already repudiated allegations.
Specifically, you again seem to allege that religious morals are in
some way superior to rationally derived morals - a notion that we
have already shown to be contrary to all the evidence.
In addition, you still seem to be making an appeal to the existence
of some sort of 'god' figure - a notion that we have already
established has no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Each one of your postings seems to spectacularly fail on the
fundamentals. One is driven to wonder why you bother.
regards, Ian
REPLY: Ian, Are you calling Atheisms philosophy of Moral Relativism
(man deciding what he wants to do based on feelings and urges)
'rationally derived morals' !!!?? How utterly silly that is !
Absolute Religious Morals and Standards for living was what we had
prior to Post Modernism / atheisms influence ... and everyone had a
clearcut standard on how to live right, how to treat ones fellow man,
and why crossing over the line was wrong. We can see the consequences
of a society based on MANS authority which is atheism played out to
the end. Its so bad that folks like yourself dont even know why
something is right and wrong . I wonder why YOU bother to keep
ignoring the outcomes of a culture that follows your line of
'rationally derived morals' ! Here, let me help you a bit : 33
STD's , AIDS and HPV leading to countless fatalities, butchering of
developing unborn human beings for the sake of sexual hedonism ,
adultery gone rampant, teenage pregnancies skyrocketing, young girls
being encouraged to be tramps by the media, young boys being
encouraged to view girls as a toy, ad nausuem. Or...is it that you
just dont care (which is yet another inherent atheistic attitude). ?
Firstly, as you've avoided dealing with the points I raised about
the link you provided on Nihilism and have instead just changed the
subject, we can take it that you've conceded that your posting was
misleading nonsense and simply wrong - yet again. Just more Lying
for Jesus - saying what you want to be true rather than what is
actually true. Which brings me to your latest post above...
I've just explained in another post about condoms and Africa, why
relative rational morals are clearly and demonstrably superior.
Religious morals just lead to deaths in Africa, genital mutilation,
barbaric punishments, suppression of women, sexual abuse of women
and blatant discrimination to name just a few examples. Not to
mention how religion (and its strange chastity demands on clergy)
has led to swathes of child abuse in the US, Australia, UK and many
other places (to the point where claims against the churches are
bankrupting them) and the subsequent utterly shameful cover up of
these actions by bishops and the RC church hierarchy all the way up
to the Vatican.
We've also clearly demonstrated, again using the evidence, that
there is no indication whatsoever that christians are in any way
more moral than atheists, in fact the opposite appears to be the
case. We've also pointed out that religious groups running chastity
campaigns fare worse for STD and teenage pregnancy than the
population at large using rationally based education programmes.
So, when faced with the evidence your precepts fall flat on their
face again.
So, if you wish to make a point then - make it and present the
evidence to support it. That way, you may even have a chance of
carrying an argument instead of exposing yourself as a pedlar of
unsubstantiated religious twaddle - a Liar for Jesus, as you've
managed to do so well above.
regards, Ian- Hide quoted text -
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REPLY: If atheists were in fact 'more morally inclind' , they
wouldnt declare The Bibles standards of morality for living as :
'Taliban oriented, oppressive, cultish, etc... ' when there are no
higher morals and ethics than those found in the 10 Commandments as
well as the teachings of Jesus Christ. They would be embraced, and
not scorned . They would be sought after, and not considered an
impropriety . They would be honored among atheists, and not
chastised because they hinder maximum personal freedom to live as one
likes which is the foundational concept behind atheism ; rebellion
and maximum autonomy . Therefore, your premise is a fallacy and the
resulting name calling cannot even be substantiated because you dont
believe in absolute truth as an atheist . Good day. |
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Alwyn
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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<57b1e952-8a36-4d84-b747-29f78b048c89@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
"IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote:
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REPLY: If atheists were in fact 'more morally inclind' , they
wouldnt declare The Bibles standards of morality for living as :
'Taliban oriented, oppressive, cultish, etc... ' when there are no
higher morals and ethics than those found in the 10 Commandments as
well as the teachings of Jesus Christ. They would be embraced, and
not scorned . They would be sought after, and not considered an
impropriety . They would be honored among atheists,
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I don't understand, why should atheists honour the contents of a
religious book they have rejected? 'Thou shalt have no other god but me'
- how on earth can an atheist comply with that? 'Thou shalt not make
graven images' and 'Keep the sabbath day holy' also make no sense if
you're atheist. Jews will also tell you that the Ten Commandments are
for Jews only; gentiles should follow the Seven Noahide Laws instead.
As for 'the teachings of Jesus Christ', he said to take no thought for
the morrow and to turn the other cheek when you're hit, which may be
appropriate if the end of the world is upon us but are not tenable as
general principles of morality; indeed, I've never met a single
christian who lived by them.
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and not
chastised because they hinder maximum personal freedom to live as one
likes which is the foundational concept behind atheism ; rebellion
and maximum autonomy .
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The same old rubbish. Can't you think of anything new to say?
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Therefore, your premise is a fallacy and the
resulting name calling cannot even be substantiated because you dont
believe in absolute truth as an atheist . Good day.
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Good God, there's a put-down! Whatever did he do to deserve that?
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Ian Smith
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Re: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM SERIES : Atheism played out in |
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
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REPLY: If atheists were in fact 'more morally inclind' , they
wouldnt declare The Bibles standards of morality for living as :
'Taliban oriented, oppressive, cultish, etc... ' when there are no
higher morals and ethics than those found in the 10 Commandments as
well as the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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Well Dave, I really don't know where to start!
Firstly, we don't even know if the biblical jesus existed or not,
let alone what he said and taught. You have a book of myths and
superstitions written by anonymous writers and bodged together over
the centuries by pious control freaks. Pure fiction.
The book really is a great source of moral values isn't it?
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commandments
Looking at the biblical source material...
"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your
God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of
parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me"
"You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet
your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or
anything that belongs to your neighbour."
So what have we there - punishment of a group or family for the
crimes of another - isn't this illegal under international law?
An acceptance of slavery?
If you believe this to be an example of "higher morals" than
atheists could arrive at by reasoning and rational debate then I'd
suggest that you should book an appointment with your therapist,
because you clearly are mentally unbalanced or deluded.
regards, Ian |
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