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 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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In article <3130303031303439486A445527@zetnet.co.uk>,
David Wynne-Griffiths <davidwg@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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The message
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from "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> contains these words:
REPLY: Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
Species gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.
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I presume that would be Julian. A brilliant man, who more or less
originated the 'modern synthesis' of evolutionary biology, but often
suffered alas from mental instability.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley>
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:
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In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you
were. Whilst you may not treat people in the same way as you did you still
treat people badly. You're not fixed. Religion has just changed the type of
bad behaviour you adopt.
Steve M
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Nothing changed with Dimwit
He's still just an asshole who can't back up his bullshit |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
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REPLY: Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
Species gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
interferring with his and others Sexual Mores. Without God, Man
will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
the worldly man who operates on moral relativism , it is a vital
permissable entitlement . To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
indulge in it.
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This has been discussed before. Dave made the assertion previously
but provided no supporting evidence or references - only that 2
people he trusted saw it.
Judging by the historical and well demonstrated dishonesty of most
of Dave's quotes I see no reason to assume that Huxley did say that,
rather than the complete opposite.
However, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did. He was a little
that way inclined and he had rather extreme views on eugenics.
regards, Ian |
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graham
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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"Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote in message
news:aImdnQGv14Ss6vfVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
REPLY: Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
Species gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
interferring with his and others Sexual Mores. Without God, Man
will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
the worldly man who operates on moral relativism , it is a vital
permissable entitlement . To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
indulge in it.
This has been discussed before. Dave made the assertion previously but
provided no supporting evidence or references - only that 2 people he
trusted saw it.
Judging by the historical and well demonstrated dishonesty of most of
Dave's quotes I see no reason to assume that Huxley did say that, rather
than the complete opposite.
However, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did. He was a little that
way inclined and he had rather extreme views on eugenics.
Dave has always mixed up his Huxleys, including Aldous for T.E.!!! |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:28:03 -0700 (PDT), "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"
IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is the first of a series of Psychology behind the Atheist
Faith.
What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
I mean no offense to those who read these posts
Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
Dinid you also mean no offence to Jews when you painted swastikas on the
walls of their homes, serial liar?
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REPLY: Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ????? Have
you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
materials bringing about personality traits ? Have you ever seen ANY
sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos ? Have you
seen what a stick of dynamite does in a Printing Shop ; it doesnt
produce a one page thesis ! And if you did it hundreds of times each
hour and over 18 billion years with the wind blowing strong from the
west...it still wouldnt produce anything legible or complex or of
design. Atheism is a FAITH because it requires non intelligent
materials by natural causes to make highly intelligent complexity such
as information in a DNA molecule. There are definite reasons why
Atheists choose atheism as thier faith, and that will be presented in
our second installment of : The Psychology behind Atheism. Thanks
for your interest and your reply , albiet, hostile . |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 8:51 am, David Wynne-Griffiths <davi...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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The message
59f2e398-c5f7-4ab3-9363-06f60b077...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
from "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> contains these words:
REPLY: Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
Species gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
interferring with his and others Sexual Mores. Without God, Man
will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
the worldly man who operates on moral relativism , it is a vital
permissable entitlement . To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
indulge in it.
Which Huxley? Thomas Henry Huxley FRS, (1825–1895) was certainly a
supporter of Darwin and coined the term 'agnostic' to describe his views
on religion. Aldous Leonard Huxley (1894–1963) was the well known
author of the Brave New World. Matthew Huxley his much less well known
only son who died in 2005 was an anthropologist and prominent
epidemiologist.
I recall we have seen this quotation before and it turned out to be false.
While some persons may abandon a religion to avoid its strictures such
as the condemnation of homosexual activity, it very certainly was not
the motivation for the vast majority of atheists. We do not believe in
gods because there is no evidence that any such creatures exist. Being
an atheist involves nothing more or less than the fact of not believing
in any gods. There is no particular psychology involved and atheists are
by definition less gullible and in general more intelligent and better
educated than religionists.
You have repeatedly shown us that you have not the first idea about what
makes people become atheists despite claiming to have been one yourself.
Your attempts to lecture us only expose you to ridicule but perhaps
that is what you seek!
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DavidWGtribute
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REPLY: Well , it wasnt Alduous then was it ? The MANY attributes of
Personal Freedom/Entitlement which makes atheism so alluring, with
sexual freedom near the top, will be discussed at length in upcoming
Posts in this series. Thank you David. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:51:01 +0100, David Wynne-Griffiths
<davidwg@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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The message
59f2e398-c5f7-4ab3-9363-06f60b077800@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
from "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> contains these words:
REPLY: Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
Species gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
interferring with his and others Sexual Mores. Without God, Man
will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
the worldly man who operates on moral relativism , it is a vital
permissable entitlement . To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
indulge in it.
Which Huxley? Thomas Henry Huxley FRS, (1825–1895) was certainly a
supporter of Darwin and coined the term 'agnostic' to describe his views
on religion. Aldous Leonard Huxley (1894–1963) was the well known
author of the Brave New World. Matthew Huxley his much less well known
only son who died in 2005 was an anthropologist and prominent
epidemiologist.
I recall we have seen this quotation before and it turned out to be false.
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He's lying once again. Britain at the time was very scientifically
oriented. Science and engineering were the progress that made it
prosperous. New research was rapidly accepted.
People wanted scientific understanding. Even the religious because the
CofE even then wasn't literalist. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 11:02 am, Alwyn <al...@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
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In article <3130303031303439486A445...@zetnet.co.uk>,
David Wynne-Griffiths <davi...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
The message
59f2e398-c5f7-4ab3-9363-06f60b077...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
from "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> contains these words:
REPLY: Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
Species gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.
snip
Which Huxley?
I presume that would be Julian. A brilliant man, who more or less
originated the 'modern synthesis' of evolutionary biology, but often
suffered alas from mental instability.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley
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REPLY: Julian was sane enough when he appeared before millions of
Americans on TV in 1969 and made the statement he did which caused
Pastors around the world to fall off of their chairs ! He simply
exposed the MO behind atheism : Maximum personal freedom without
absolute moral laws or being held to those kind of standards. Thruout
history, there have always been motives to mankind based on
hedonism . We will be talking about how our pesent society conforms
to atheistic philosophies so one can engage in as much fun ,
unrestrained. Please come back. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 5:27 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
I mean no offense to those who read these posts
Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
REPLY: Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ????? Have
you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
materials bringing about personality traits ? Have you ever seen ANY
sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos?
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Isn't it about time you start ANSWERING questions instead of asking
more?
----What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than
your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?-----
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 6:11 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:
In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 6:11 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:
In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you
were. Whilst you may not treat people in the same way as you did you still
treat people badly. You're not fixed. Religion has just changed the type of
bad behaviour you adopt.
Steve M
Nothing changed with Dimwit
He's still just an asshole who can't back up his bullshit
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REPLY: Please dont disrupt the NG or this Series Ken ; please try
very hard to be respectful...just the way your Parents taught you when
you were growing up. Please honor your parents by rising above
reproach. --- by the way...there will be an upcoming segment on
talking any way you feel like because you wear the badge of :
'atheist' . |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 7:36 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 5:27 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
I mean no offense to those who read these posts
Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
REPLY: Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ????? Have
you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
materials bringing about personality traits ? Have you ever seen ANY
sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos?
Isn't it about time you start ANSWERING questions instead of asking
more?
----What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
REPLY: David, Please email me with any and all non-pertinent |
questions to our Series such as the ones youve asked here. This venue
is to discuss our Series which is the original post. Thanks. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 5:54 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 7:36 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:27 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
I mean no offense to those who read these posts
Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
REPLY: Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ????? Have
you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
materials bringing about personality traits ? Have you ever seen ANY
sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos?
Isn't it about time you start ANSWERING questions instead of asking
more?
----What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
REPLY: David, Please email me with any and all non-pertinent
questions to our Series such as the ones youve asked here. This venue
is to discuss our Series which is the original post. Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote
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Id like to start by saying that I labeled myself 'an Atheist' from
the approx age of 17 to 29 and ran with a fairly large crowd of folks
who considered themselves the same. If i were asked if i believed in
God , I would have answered : &*$%#@ NO !! I had my mind made up
for a variety of what i thought were good reasons including : The
world is in too bad of state, it appears that bad things happen to
rather good people, there was no convincing evidence of a God-Person
nor did he want to show himself, hes never done anything for me,
and Church Goers were all just a bunch of hypocrites to varying
degrees. My chosen lifestyle was one of 'personal discovery and
quests' , namely, whatever I felt like doing for maximized pleasure
with emphasis in the sexual area . Some call it 'sowing your wild
oats' while others might call it ' Boys will be boys' . For many
years, this was my MO since there was no other definitive purpose or
meaning to life , including my own , outside of hedonism and
narcissism.
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In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
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I shall stop here for the first post in this series and invite
discussion.
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You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you
were. Whilst you may not treat people in the same way as you did you still
treat people badly. You're not fixed. Religion has just changed the type of
bad behaviour you adopt.
Steve M |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: Re: The Psychology of Atheism Series : Intro. |
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On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 6:11 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:
In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you
were. Whilst you may not treat people in the same way as you did you still
treat people badly. You're not fixed. Religion has just changed the type of
bad behaviour you adopt.
Steve M
Nothing changed with Dimwit
He's still just an asshole who can't back up his bullshit
REPLY: Please dont disrupt the NG
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I'm not the one disrupting this group, U ASSHOLE
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please try very hard to be respectful
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Kiss my ass, FUCKHEAD
.just the way your Parents taught you when
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you were growing up. Please honor your parents by rising above
reproach.
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Both my parents have been dead for many many years....Dad died in 47,
maw in 66
by the way...there will be an upcoming segment on
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talking any way you feel like because you wear the badge of :
'atheist' .
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Who gives a flying fuck what you think, ASSHOLE
Why can't you answer a few simple questions, U ASSHOLE?
-----What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?-----
CCPed from DavidWG |
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