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 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact your |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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On Jun 25, 1:36 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com>
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IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
How might it impact your life ?
Why, do you have any real, positive, convincing evidence that there
is such a judge?
You've never presented any in the past, so I'm not holding my breath.
regards, Ian
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REPLY: Yes, I have compelling evidence for a personal moral Creator
and Judge...some of which i have given in this NG and many others. Im
not asking anyone to hold thier breathe, and the question remains :
If you knew there were a final Judge, how would that impact your life ? |
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Ken
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 25, 1:36 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com
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IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
How might it impact your life ?
Why, do you have any real, positive, convincing evidence that there
is such a judge?
You've never presented any in the past, so I'm not holding my breath.
regards, Ian
REPLY: Yes, I have compelling evidence for a personal moral Creator
and Judge...some of which i have given in this NG and many others. Im
not asking anyone to hold thier breathe, and the question remains :
If you knew there were a final Judge, how would that impact your life ?
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You ain't got evidence of shit, asshole
You constantly avoid answering questions posed to you so you should
anyone waste their (notice the correct spelling Dimwit) time answering
yours, asshole |
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Ian Smith
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
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How might it impact your life ?
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Why, do you have any real, positive, convincing evidence that there
is such a judge?
You've never presented any in the past, so I'm not holding my breath.
regards, Ian |
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Ken
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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On Jun 25, 2:38 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com>
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Ken wrote:
You constantly avoid answering questions posed to you so you should
anyone waste their (notice the correct spelling Dimwit) time answering
yours...
Well, one good reason would be that the answer will expose Dave's
questions as the nonsense they really are.
We shouldn't be afraid of his questions - his position is
unsupportable and ours is supported by overwhelming evidence. We
should be grateful for the opportunity to expose him, and his
creationist friends, for what they are - deluded.
regards, Ian
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Not to mention moronic, senseless, sappy, absurd, harebrained, unwise,
stupid, silly, simpleminded, weak-minded, foolish, brainwashed, half-
witted, delusional, witless, mislead, parrot-brained, cockeyed, crazy,
daft, loony, fatuous, nonsensical, preposterous, sappy, screwballed
and just plain STUPID |
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Ian Smith
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
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On Jun 25, 1:36 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com
wrote:
IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
How might it impact your life ?
Why, do you have any real, positive, convincing evidence that there
is such a judge?
You've never presented any in the past, so I'm not holding my breath.
regards, Ian
REPLY: Yes, I have compelling evidence for a personal moral Creator
and Judge...some of which i have given in this NG and many others.
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You have provided absolutely no evidence whatsoever here. The
challenge still remains - provide just one piece of genuine,
positive evidence to support your god notion.
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Im
not asking anyone to hold thier breathe, and the question remains :
If you knew there were a final Judge, how would that impact your life ?
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It wouldn't - at all.
Why should it? Why would you have an impression that an atheist
would be any less moral than a theist? Don't forget that the
religious simply superimpose a set of mythical, superstitious, false
morals instead of rationally derived morals.
regards, Ian |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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Ken wrote:
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You constantly avoid answering questions posed to you so you should
anyone waste their (notice the correct spelling Dimwit) time answering
yours...
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Well, one good reason would be that the answer will expose Dave's
questions as the nonsense they really are.
We shouldn't be afraid of his questions - his position is
unsupportable and ours is supported by overwhelming evidence. We
should be grateful for the opportunity to expose him, and his
creationist friends, for what they are - deluded.
regards, Ian |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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It is curious that theists have such a hang up about what they call
sin which in many cases are harmless but pleasurable activities they
wish to ban because they hate the idea that people might enjoy them.
They think that only they have morality despite the fact that in
general atheists are more law abiding and less likely to break the law
than theists.
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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On Jun 25, 4:29 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com>
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IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 25, 1:36 pm, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com
wrote:
IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
How might it impact your life ?
Why, do you have any real, positive, convincing evidence that there
is such a judge?
You've never presented any in the past, so I'm not holding my breath.
regards, Ian
REPLY: Yes, I have compelling evidence for a personal moral Creator
and Judge...some of which i have given in this NG and many others.
You have provided absolutely no evidence whatsoever here. The
challenge still remains - provide just one piece of genuine,
vgpositive evidence to support your god notion.
Im
not asking anyone to hold thier breathe, and the question remains :
If you knew there were a final Judge, how would that impact your life ?
It wouldn't - at all.
Why should it? Why would you have an impression that an atheist
would be any less moral than a theist? Don't forget that the
religious simply superimpose a set of mythical, superstitious, false
morals instead of rationally derived morals.
regards, Ian
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REPLY: Because they uphold Moral Relativism . Why should an atheist
force himself to become absolutely moral when he doesnt believe in
absolute moral laws ? |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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On Jun 26, 1:34 am, davidwg <davi...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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It is curious that theists have such a hang up about what they call
sin which in many cases are harmless but pleasurable activities they
wish to ban because they hate the idea that people might enjoy them.
They think that only they have morality despite the fact that in
general atheists are more law abiding and less likely to break the law
than theists.
DavidWG
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REPLY: Then there is no such thing as sexual IMmorality ? When did
that change from being immoral ? How is it harmless ? |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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On Jun 25, 6:34 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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How might it impact your life ?
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I consider myself as a good, hard working man - and therefore an
atheist - so there shouldn't be any changes in my lifestyle after
learning there's a future judge. I want to be good for myself and my
environment, not for the future judge
PS: Please put subject in the subject line and text in the text body
next time, unless you want to meet a punishment from the future judge |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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On Jun 26, 5:27 am, suddengunfire <dariusdir...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 25, 6:34 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
How might it impact your life ?
I consider myself as a good, hard working man - and therefore an
atheist - so there shouldn't be any changes in my lifestyle after
learning there's a future judge. I want to be good for myself and my
environment, not for the future judge
PS: Please put subject in the subject line and text in the text body
next time, unless you want to meet a punishment from the future judge
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Let me extend a welcome to this mess (Ok It's a newgroup but after the
addition of an unwelcomed brainwashed fundamentalistic creationist
religious troll with an obvious sex hang-up) it's become somewhat of
a..............Oh you'll see |
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Ian Smith
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:26:19 +0100, IlBeBauck@gmail.com
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote:
n.
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Im
not asking anyone to hold thier breathe, and the question remains :
If you knew there were a final Judge, how would that impact your life
?
It wouldn't - at all.
Why should it? Why would you have an impression that an atheist
would be any less moral than a theist? Don't forget that the
religious simply superimpose a set of mythical, superstitious, false
morals instead of rationally derived morals.
regards, Ian
REPLY: Because they uphold Moral Relativism . Why should an atheist
force himself to become absolutely moral when he doesnt believe in
absolute moral laws ?
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He doesn't. He uses a system of rationally derived morals and rejects your
"absolute morals" as superstition and mythology and I ask again...
Why would you have an impression that an atheist would be any less moral
than a theist? Don't forget that the religious simply superimpose a set of
mythical, superstitious, false morals instead of rationally derived morals.
regards, Ian |
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mark
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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"davidwg" <davidwg@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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It is curious that theists have such a hang up about what they call
sin which in many cases are harmless but pleasurable activities they
wish to ban because they hate the idea that people might enjoy them.
They think that only they have morality despite the fact that in
general atheists are more law abiding and less likely to break the law
than theists.
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Yes...
Sin and morality, constructed by religion and religious leaders, over
millennia, that attempts to categorise and marginalise human behaviour.
There is a startling presumption that Christians, adherents of this morality
creed, somehow are *better* human beings as a result of constructing the
*rules* then complying with them...!
There is a notion that some, perhaps all, of this morality can only be
lived correctly if one believes in god....... which is absolute tosh.
Morals, as we know, are subjective [...a red rag to a bull for dilv and his
ilk..] but why does one have to believe in a god to understand that we
cannot construct and maintain a community and society by endorsing, for
example, theft... or violence... or murder... we don't need god to
understand those things are not going to work for the benefit of
all.........
We continually come to know about Christians who behave disgracefully,
often by abusing others, including children, and it is clear that within
humanity there are individuals that behave 'anti socially' from all aspects
of life, Christians and non Christians. It seems pointless identifying
individuals who perpetrate such acts and draw conclusions that, for example,
if it were a Christian then ALL Christianity is therefore tainted. In the
same way, it is pointless asserting that abusers of society and people, who
are non Christian, confirms that ALL non Christians are equally morally
corrupt.
This tiny fragment of a religious diaspora that dilv finds himself in is,
thankfully, not the mainstream view of Christianity at large and the
fundamentalists are so far off the wall with their superstition as to be
meaningless in a wider general term. However, it is worth repeating, ad
infinitum, that this high moral ground seized by Christians is not theirs to
keep and own, it is owned by all of us - each defining and/or being
conditioned to the cohesiveness that holds community and society together.
God doesn't need to be in the equation, in fact, he cannot be because there
is ample probability he doesn't exist at all..!
Insofar as dilv is concerned, our resident fruitcake, he really is a mere
plaything for most of us actually re-enforcing notions that this whole
superstitious scam works well on the gullible and intellectually challenged
members of our world and, without him realising it, he has the absolute
opposite effect than the one desired... even in this fact alone he is
myopic and incapable of rational thought..
Sad to say - although he is not representative of mainstream Christianity -
the attitudes and philosophies he peddles are clearly out of touch with
reality and meaning for most people who will reject this mindless, circular
diatribe out of hand... witnessed by the ever decreasing adherents to
Christianity. Although he cannot understand this, HE, and his ilk, are
actually accelerating the decline.
Mark |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: If you knew you had a future Judge, how would it impact |
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
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On Jun 26, 1:34 am, davidwg <davi...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
It is curious that theists have such a hang up about what they call
sin which in many cases are harmless but pleasurable activities they
wish to ban because they hate the idea that people might enjoy them.
They think that only they have morality despite the fact that in
general atheists are more law abiding and less likely to break the
law than theists.
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REPLY: Then there is no such thing as sexual IMmorality ? When did
that change from being immoral ? How is it harmless ?
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.....maybe YOU could explain how morality becomes involved in sexual
relations between consenting adults....?
We can discuss the meaning and subsequent impact of the word " harmless"
after....
[..indeed, we could discuss the meaning of "moral" as well but I'm not sure
your up to that level of comprehension just yet..]
Mark |
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