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 Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: Atheism Resolved |
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It doesn't matter if their parents are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Cro
Magnons, Xtian, Buddist, or time travelers from the future, everyone
is born an atheist
All children are born atheists.
They are born without any belief in the afterlife and any supernatural
forces; and without the knowledge that their country is the best
country on Earth, and their race is the best race.
Children are empty vessels which the parents and the rest of society
proceeds to fill up with prejudices and unfounded beliefs.
It's only later that they are brainwashed into believing whatever
paricular fairy tale their parents were also brainwashed into
accepting.
Many people (I'm sure we all can name at least one) don't know it or
refuse to accept it, but everyone is born an atheist, it's not until a
child has religious beliefs pushed on them with out any evidence to
support them that they "think" they're a theist.
The point is that a child doesn't have the ablility to even know what
a religion is to make a educated decision, this is how most are
brainwashed, they get you when you don't have any common sense.
Religion is also just a function based on ones geological position,
meaning that if a religious person was born in another part of the
world, they would have been raised to believe in one of the other
religions we have on our planet.
EACH of which totally believes that their religion is the correct one,
with all the rest of them being wrong. This is why we have Terrorism
in the world today. A believe without evidence is a Dangerous thing.
Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own. |
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Ken
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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On Jun 21, 8:22 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:17:30 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flakey...@aol.com
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Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own.
No. It simple means not being any kind of theist. This requires no
belief, no doctrine or anything else.
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I believe in science, truth, evidence, but not in invisible sky
faries, afterlives and such BS taken only on faith |
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Ken
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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On Jun 21, 10:37 am, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa)
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No one is born 'an atheist' and no one truly becomes one............(snipped rest of rant)
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As usual, Dimwit's rebuttal holds as much water as a colander |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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On Jun 21, 10:40 am, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa)
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'I believe in science, truth, evidence, but not in invisible sky faries,
afterlives and such BS taken only on faith'
REPLY: Your FAITH in accidents without evidence for the ulterior motive
to live as you like, is the height of truth-lessness.
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EVIDENCE?
You wouldn't know real evidence even if soaked in petrol, lit on fire
and shoved up your fat fundy faggot ass!!! |
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Christopher A. Lee
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:17:30 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flakey714@aol.com>
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[..]
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Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own.
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No. It simple means not being any kind of theist. This requires no
belief, no doctrine or anything else. |
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Christopher A. Lee
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flakey714@aol.com>
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On Jun 21, 8:22 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:17:30 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flakey...@aol.com
wrote:
[..]
Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own.
No. It simple means not being any kind of theist. This requires no
belief, no doctrine or anything else.
I believe in science, truth, evidence, but not in invisible sky
faries, afterlives and such BS taken only on faith
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Dave in Lake Villa
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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No one is born 'an atheist' and no one truly becomes one later on
...except by label willfully. No one has the kind of FAITH required to
believe in accidents upon enormous accidents for this fine tuned,
tweaked, highly complex existence ...and it is only a charade so the
willful Creator-rejector can excersise his/her pride and rebellion to
live as they desire . In living this way, they become a god unto
themselves (narcissism) . If its not all about the Creator of this
Universe, then its all about THEMSELVES . A child has to be taught
opposing philosophical ideas that eventually suppress the knowledge and
awareness of the Creator being real which is evident to all thru things
around them , just as the Bible states (Romans 1:18-22) , so they are
without excuse.
The final result of a life lived to please SELF ('atheism') is severe
and endless regret starting the moment physical death arrives . I would
not wish that on my worse enemy and hope none of you have to endure
that . Its an eternal crime to give God the finger all ones life because
YOU were more important. |
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Dave in Lake Villa
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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'I believe in science, truth, evidence, but not in invisible sky faries,
afterlives and such BS taken only on faith'
REPLY: Your FAITH in accidents without evidence for the ulterior motive
to live as you like, is the height of truth-lessness. |
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Alwyn
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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In article
<9b690cf0-eede-48eb-b20c-ec06d41c9cb1@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Ken <flakey714@aol.com> wrote:
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It doesn't matter if their parents are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Cro
Magnons, Xtian, Buddist, or time travelers from the future, everyone
is born an atheist
All children are born atheists.
They are born without any belief in the afterlife and any supernatural
forces; and without the knowledge that their country is the best
country on Earth, and their race is the best race.
Children are empty vessels which the parents and the rest of society
proceeds to fill up with prejudices and unfounded beliefs.
It's only later that they are brainwashed into believing whatever
paricular fairy tale their parents were also brainwashed into
accepting.
Many people (I'm sure we all can name at least one) don't know it or
refuse to accept it, but everyone is born an atheist, it's not until a
child has religious beliefs pushed on them with out any evidence to
support them that they "think" they're a theist.
The point is that a child doesn't have the ablility to even know what
a religion is to make a educated decision, this is how most are
brainwashed, they get you when you don't have any common sense.
Religion is also just a function based on ones geological position,
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Don't you mean 'geographical'?
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meaning that if a religious person was born in another part of the
world, they would have been raised to believe in one of the other
religions we have on our planet.
EACH of which totally believes that their religion is the correct one,
with all the rest of them being wrong. This is why we have Terrorism
in the world today. A believe without evidence is a Dangerous thing.
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Historically speaking, religion is pretty universal across human
societies. If everyone is born atheist (which is probably true in my
view), how did that come about?
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Atheism is a doctrine
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Atheism is not a doctrine! You are playing into the hands of Dave and
his like.
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that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter),
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That is materialism or a metaphysical belief in scientific naturalism.
Atheists are not obliged to believe that, and neither are scientists.
(For the latter, it's just a useful working hypothesis.)
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that thought is a property or function of matter,
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Do stones think?
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and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
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You are expressing a particular philosophical position, one which I
happen to be substantially in agreement with, but it isn't what atheism
means. For example, many pure mathematicians (some of whom are surely
atheists!) will insist that mathematical concepts exist apart from
physical nature.
Alwyn
> Humankind is on its own. |
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Ian Smith
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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Ken wrote:
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Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own.
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Ken,
Don't expect the rest of us to agree with that.
As an atheist, you may believe those things on your day off, but
there is no atheist doctrine. This has been one of Dave positions in
the past.
regards, Ian |
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Ken
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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On Jun 22, 2:10 am, Alwyn <al...@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
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In article
9b690cf0-eede-48eb-b20c-ec06d41c9...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
It doesn't matter if their parents are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Cro
Magnons, Xtian, Buddist, or time travelers from the future, everyone
is born an atheist
All children are born atheists.
They are born without any belief in the afterlife and any supernatural
forces; and without the knowledge that their country is the best
country on Earth, and their race is the best race.
Children are empty vessels which the parents and the rest of society
proceeds to fill up with prejudices and unfounded beliefs.
It's only later that they are brainwashed into believing whatever
paricular fairy tale their parents were also brainwashed into
accepting.
Many people (I'm sure we all can name at least one) don't know it or
refuse to accept it, but everyone is born an atheist, it's not until a
child has religious beliefs pushed on them with out any evidence to
support them that they "think" they're a theist.
The point is that a child doesn't have the ablility to even know what
a religion is to make a educated decision, this is how most are
brainwashed, they get you when you don't have any common sense.
Religion is also just a function based on ones geological position,
Don't you mean 'geographical'?
meaning that if a religious person was born in another part of the
world, they would have been raised to believe in one of the other
religions we have on our planet.
EACH of which totally believes that their religion is the correct one,
with all the rest of them being wrong. This is why we have Terrorism
in the world today. A believe without evidence is a Dangerous thing.
Historically speaking, religion is pretty universal across human
societies. If everyone is born atheist (which is probably true in my
view), how did that come about?
Atheism is a doctrine
Atheism is not a doctrine! You are playing into the hands of Dave and
his like.
that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter),
That is materialism or a metaphysical belief in scientific naturalism.
Atheists are not obliged to believe that, and neither are scientists.
(For the latter, it's just a useful working hypothesis.)
that thought is a property or function of matter,
Do stones think?
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
You are expressing a particular philosophical position, one which I
happen to be substantially in agreement with, but it isn't what atheism
means. For example, many pure mathematicians (some of whom are surely
atheists!) will insist that mathematical concepts exist apart from
physical nature.
Alwyn
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True, and I'm sorry for using a term that could be taken as feeding
dimwit's fundy religious dogma..Ken |
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Ken
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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On Jun 22, 12:47 am, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com>
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As an atheist, you may believe those things on your day off, but
there is no atheist doctrine. This has been one of Dave positions in
the past.
regards, Ian
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Could it be just be considered a state of mind, or am I just playing
the same name game Dimwit does with his assertions of absolute vs
relative truth.(never understood wtf he's saying with that BS) |
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Steve Marshall
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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"Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote
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Ken wrote:
Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own.
Ken,
Don't expect the rest of us to agree with that.
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Physics is about the relationship between matter and energy. Energy isn't
matter. There's a load of stuff that can't be counted as matter.
Steve M |
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Ken
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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On Jun 22, 3:30 pm, Alwyn <al...@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
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In article <H8SdnXVnxraZ48PVnZ2dneKdnZydn...@posted.plusnet>,
"Steve Marshall" <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:
"Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote
Ken wrote:
Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own.
Ken,
Don't expect the rest of us to agree with that.
Physics is about the relationship between matter and energy. Energy isn't
matter. There's a load of stuff that can't be counted as matter.
Well yes, but aren't matter and energy two sides of the same coin? I
imagine that when Ken wrote 'matter' in parentheses, he just meant it as
shorthand for the aforementioned 'natural phenomena'.
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Matter, in the context of what can be observed or measured as opposed
to things/ideas/concepts taken merely on faith/belief |
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Alwyn
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Atheism Resolved |
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In article <H8SdnXVnxraZ48PVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
"Steve Marshall" <sdm@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:
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"Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote
Ken wrote:
Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own.
Ken,
Don't expect the rest of us to agree with that.
Physics is about the relationship between matter and energy. Energy isn't
matter. There's a load of stuff that can't be counted as matter.
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Well yes, but aren't matter and energy two sides of the same coin? I
imagine that when Ken wrote 'matter' in parentheses, he just meant it as
shorthand for the aforementioned 'natural phenomena'.
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